Old Anime vs New Anime

Kamikaze
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Interesting responses. 

Few things I want to clarify. 

I'm talking mostly about Shonen and maybe Shojo to an extent. Seinen anime/manga is excluded from this. 

(03-03-2018, 04:00 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: No offense, but people who say that need to get over their bias, and actually try to watch anime that have come post-2000. Sure, every year, before 2000, had probably like 20-25 anime produced, and these days, there's 45-50 anime per season, (and more than 150 anime per year), but, that by itself means statistically, there are good anime per year now more than ever. All you need to do is just ignore the ones that are bad or mediocre, because they are, you don't need to count them. For every Slam Dunk, Ashita no Joe or Captain Tsubasa, we've had Hajime no Ippo, Kuroko no Basuke, Ping Pong, Diamond no Ace, Chihayafuru, Haikyuu, Redline. For every DBZ or Yu Yu Hakushou, we have HxH, FMAB, Shokugeki no Souma, Nanatsu no Taizai, Attack on Titan and of course, Naruto and Bleach. I can go on and on. Sure you could say that there hasn't been anything like Neon Genesis Evangelion, but that's Evangelion. It's unique and there's nothing like it.
That's not to say I don't like old anime, I want to watch old anime too, and I have watched quite a few, Cardcaptor Sakura, Evangelion, Rurouni Kenshin. But I watch everything with an open mind, be it old or new.


You have to look at everything proportionally. Sure, you might have a number of decent anime coming out per season. But the question is, do we have more good than bad anime coming out per season? Most of the stuff we have coming out is either "meh", "medicore" or just subpar really. Compared to those level of anime, we don't see as much good come out. 

The only new anime's worth mentioning that are an exception to what I said are HxH, FMAB and Attack on Titan. 

Naruto (especially at the end) and bleach had terrible writing. Naruto had way too many inconsistencies and convolutions. Whereas bleach's plot was way too one-dimensional and had no substance to it. They were ENJOYABLE but if you care about plot like I do, they weren't that great. The same thing can be really said about Kuroko No Basket, Diamond no Ace, and Seven Deadly sins. They represent the new-brand of shonen anime that put entertainment over story and characters. The stories in general are bland, generic and cliche. And the same stories are told over and over again, where they just follow the dbz format. Hunter x Hunter follow's the "DBZ" format but it goes beyond it by having complex characters. 

I'm not saying it's bad to do that. But from my criteria of evaluating an anime, they are just subpar at best, from a story standpoint. But if you care about being entertained over story then you can disregard what I'm saying.

(This post was last modified: 03-04-2018, 11:22 AM by Kamikaze.)

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KuranKaname
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What about one piece and fairy tail? They have quite the popularity and I liked them too

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Sindar
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(03-03-2018, 12:23 PM)Kamikaze Wrote: Old Anime = Before 2001
New Anime - 2001 - onwards

People made fun of me before for calling stuff after 2001 "new" : D

I think there were a few interesting periods in anime history that sort of created this idea that "old anime was better". There were a few awkward transition periods in 2000s and early 2010s where average production quality for ~normal series looked (in my opinion) lower than in the 90s. The industry had some sort of a crisis which led to less experimental films and OVAs. The genre transition was pretty sharp, going from tons of sci-fi, cyberpunk and such to more mild themes, at least as far as the mainstream goes. The experimentation with CGI and weird character designs for mainstream anime (think of female faces in Air, Clannad and so on), all that added to the impression too, I think. There were tons and tons of great anime produced during these 15 years though, probably more than ever before.

But anyway, I think if you look at fairly recent anime, like the past 5 years or so, there is just no way to make a case against them. There is enough diversity, the animation quality is way up, and there are lots of very daring projects in terms of stories and visuals. You still need to filter out garbage, but it had always been the case. Also, when you watch older anime, you see the best of the best, while with the recent anime you see all of it, as it hadn't been filtered out by time yet.

(This post was last modified: 03-12-2018, 02:55 AM by Sindar.)

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Demon_skeith
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I won't deny that new anime is a bit too much fan service based and at times not holding up well in quality. Which at the same time old anime can be a bit hard to watch due to its limitations of the day but it really focused well on story over any fan service.

It's a give or take but I think anime running between 1990-2010 really are the best.

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Sindar
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(03-12-2018, 03:03 PM)Demon_skeith Wrote: I won't deny that new anime is a bit too much fan service based and at times not holding up well in quality. Which at the same time old anime can be a bit hard to watch due to its limitations of the day but it really focused well on story over any fan service.

It's a give or take but I think anime running between 1990-2010 really are the best.

You'd be surprised how much fanservice (or just explicit content) old anime often have : P  That is not something that really changed all that much I don't think.

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Demon_skeith
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(03-12-2018, 08:46 PM)Sindar Wrote: You'd be surprised how much fanservice (or just explicit content) old anime often have : P  That is not something that really changed all that much I don't think.

I'm aware that old animes do have fan service, series like Ikki tousen for example. But I'm positive whatever you find isn't near as much as today's animes hold.

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Sindar
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(03-13-2018, 05:34 PM)Demon_skeith Wrote: I'm aware that old animes do have fan service, series like Ikki tousen for example. But I'm positive whatever you find isn't near as much as today's animes hold.

Nah, it would probably be even worse on average : D Check out (or don't : P ) Kekkou Kamen, Violence Jack, AD Police, Crying Freeman, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City. There are also decent but still fanservice-loaded anime like Dirty Pair, Cutey Honey. Series with casual fanservice like Gunsmith Cats, Mazinkaiser, Golgo 13, Parasite Dolls, Bio Hunter, Teito Monogatari. It is really easy to go on and on with this. And these series, they wouldn't be just about your everyday nudity stuff, like what you see in modern shonen series. You can get a sex scene out of nowhere, a rape, a sexualized murder, as well as the mild stuff. I think if anything, anime got more reasonable now with what it throws at the viewer.

And sure, there are lots of fanservice-loaded anime now. High School of the dead, No Game No Life, High School DxD, etc. But they are just that, ecchi series, you can't watch them without clear expectations for what you'll see. The last don't know how many modern tv series I've seen were absolutely fine, almost no tasteless fanservice or anything. I don't know if there is an argument to be made that the percentage of shows that try to sell themselves by featuring naked girls has grown, I feel like that would be really hard to count without doing a proper research, which no one would care to do =) I don't think it is relevant though. Morality-vise or decency-vise, there is no negative trend in anime, that is pretty clear to me.

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MadaraUchiha
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(03-14-2018, 12:30 AM)Sindar Wrote: Nah, it would probably be even worse on average : D Check out (or don't : P ) Kekkou Kamen, Violence Jack, AD Police, Crying Freeman, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City. There are also decent but still fanservice-loaded anime like Dirty Pair, Cutey Honey. Series with casual fanservice like Gunsmith Cats, Mazinkaiser, Golgo 13, Parasite Dolls, Bio Hunter, Teito Monogatari. It is really easy to go on and on with this. And these series, they wouldn't be just about your everyday nudity stuff, like what you see in modern shonen series. You can get a sex scene out of nowhere, a rape, a sexualized murder, as well as the mild stuff. I think if anything, anime got more reasonable now with what it throws at the viewer.

And sure, there are lots of fanservice-loaded anime now. High School of the dead, No Game No Life, High School DxD, etc. But they are just that, ecchi series, you can't watch them without clear expectations for what you'll see. The last don't know how many modern tv series I've seen were absolutely fine, almost no tasteless fanservice or anything. I don't know if there is an argument to be made that the percentage of shows that try to sell themselves by featuring naked girls has grown, I feel like that would be really hard to count without doing a proper research, which no one would care to do =) I don't think it is relevant though. Morality-vise or decency-vise, there is no negative trend in anime, that is pretty clear to me.

The thing is though, unlike other modern series, High school of the dead and DxD own up to the fact that they feature fan-service, so, in a way they are an exception to the normality. 
Though, I don't have any preference in this old vs new argument per se and I'm fine with both.

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SecretWish
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some old anime don't have censored content. it's uncensored like sensitive pornograph but new anime don't have that at all. it's always censored.

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Demon_skeith
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(03-14-2018, 12:30 AM)Sindar Wrote: Nah, it would probably be even worse on average : D Check out (or don't : P ) Kekkou Kamen, Violence Jack, AD Police, Crying Freeman, Ninja Scroll, Wicked City. There are also decent but still fanservice-loaded anime like Dirty Pair, Cutey Honey. Series with casual fanservice like Gunsmith Cats, Mazinkaiser, Golgo 13, Parasite Dolls, Bio Hunter, Teito Monogatari. It is really easy to go on and on with this. And these series, they wouldn't be just about your everyday nudity stuff, like what you see in modern shonen series. You can get a sex scene out of nowhere, a rape, a sexualized murder, as well as the mild stuff. I think if anything, anime got more reasonable now with what it throws at the viewer.

And sure, there are lots of fanservice-loaded anime now. High School of the dead, No Game No Life, High School DxD, etc. But they are just that, ecchi series, you can't watch them without clear expectations for what you'll see. The last don't know how many modern tv series I've seen were absolutely fine, almost no tasteless fanservice or anything. I don't know if there is an argument to be made that the percentage of shows that try to sell themselves by featuring naked girls has grown, I feel like that would be really hard to count without doing a proper research, which no one would care to do =) I don't think it is relevant though. Morality-vise or decency-vise, there is no negative trend in anime, that is pretty clear to me.


it does depend on what you watch, but I'm saying more anime these days are geared towards ecchi fan service than those in the past in terms of what came out during a season.

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