Will one piece can ever become the most popular anime?

Star_Of_Hope
Akatsuki

(04-23-2018, 06:08 AM)Sindar Wrote: No it is not Tongue The Ryoka invasion is probably my fav arc.


So you mean the espada arc. I think I am getting confused. The last bleach anime i Arc s the fullbringer arc right?

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Sindar
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(04-23-2018, 08:44 PM)Star_Of_Hope Wrote: So you mean the espada arc. I think I am getting confused. The last bleach anime i Arc s the fullbringer arc right?

That is correct.

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(04-22-2018, 09:34 PM)Sindar Wrote: No, I got you, I was just trying to talk about how arbitrary these rules are. Short is a relative term, original seasons of Sailor Moon and Pokemon aren't really that long (46 episodes for Sailor Moon, right?). Of course they got sequels which fueled their popularity; but then we go into this weird territory where we have to draw completely arbitrary lines, trying to exclude shows like Naruto, Pokemon and DB without excluding FMA, JoJo and others. I mean sure, if you compare Death Note to anime with no more than 24 episodes it would have great advantage, but that it feels way too specific =)

I have yet to see a single person who is not interested in anime but has heard of Death Note =) If I was to rank shows (less than or equal to DN in length Tongue) by being recognizable among non anime fans, then I would rather bet on My Neighbor Totoro or something else that has seen a fair amount of mainstream media attention. One Punch Man is probably a safe bet too, thanks to all the memes and such. I am not saying non anime fans actually watch any of that, cause why would they, I am only talking about the recognition.

By the way, over here Pokemon anime had actually been better known than the game, at least prior to the Pokemon Go which made it into all the news. Doesn't matter though, it is just a super popular franchise; I am fairly confident I can talk to a random stranger in just about any country and they will know the word.

And I really do get what you are saying; the best way to argue against my position is to ask me to provide any kind of anime that would be a fair competitor with Death Note (in terms of length and such) and has a shot at being "more popular". I would have hard time doing so, which proves your position.



Probably because while it is #3 in popularity it is also #2043 in rankings xD Kinda a bad result if you ask me. 

I wonder if you would want to watch the adaptation of the last Bleach arc : D It is not bad, but not that great either. There are great moments there for sure, but it is also very long... I dunno. A lot of my fav characters play roles in the arc, a lot of epic defeats for seemingly invincible good guys, not too much of Ichigo (he is great and all, but everything is good in moderation). If they managed to get a great new score for the new arc it would have been cool. I don't think it will ever be animated though.


I'm not being confident about its popularity based on MAL numbers, FYI. I do understand that MAL is a tiny fraction and has become really an inaccurate representation of popularity in recent years. To give an example, according to it, Re Zero was the most popular anime of 2016, but it wasn't, Yuri on Ice and Hero Aca were. Yuri on Ice blew up so much that even Olympic players were talking about it.
I'm talking about my social circle, for example. Almost everyone I know has heard of Death Note. And everyone I don't know has heard of it. And, you know, I've looked at surveys, youtube, etc, and the recent Netflix film bringing it up for discussion again.
And, well, Totoro is popular in USA and Europe, but in most of Asia, Ghibli films didn't exactly get a big release and it's actually surprising to know that someone has heard of Ghibli films.

And, I don't think comparing short anime is arbitrary, there's a reason why Naruto, Bleach and Dragon Ball are as popular as they are. Them being long running is a big factor. And, being consistently good for a good chunk of its period(Naruto for almost all if it for me). Plus, they blew up when everybody had cable, so tons of people were watching it. That's not the case right now, with online entertainment and streaming being the go-to mode of consumption, everybody has retired themselves into a sort of niche.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Sindar
Retired Staff

(04-25-2018, 01:47 AM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I'm not being confident about its popularity based on MAL numbers, FYI. I do understand that MAL is a tiny fraction and has become really an inaccurate representation of popularity in recent years. To give an example, according to it, Re Zero was the most popular anime of 2016, but it wasn't, Yuri on Ice and Hero Aca were. Yuri on Ice blew up so much that even Olympic players were talking about it.
I'm talking about my social circle, for example. Almost everyone I know has heard of Death Note. And everyone I don't know has heard of it. And, you know, I've looked at surveys, youtube, etc, and the recent Netflix film bringing it up for discussion again.
And, well, Totoro is popular in USA and Europe, but in most of Asia, Ghibli films didn't exactly get a big release and it's actually surprising to know that someone has heard of Ghibli films.

And, I don't think comparing short anime is arbitrary, there's a reason why Naruto, Bleach and Dragon Ball are as popular as they are. Them being long running is a big factor. And, being consistently good for a good chunk of its period(Naruto for almost all if it for me). Plus, they blew up when everybody had cable, so tons of people were watching it. That's not the case right now, with online entertainment and streaming being the go-to mode of consumption, everybody has retired themselves into a sort of niche.



Really, there were Olympic athletes talking about that show? That is cool. I wonder if they had a good laugh about it : D I have no idea how popular any of these shows is, I'll take your word for it. The bias against kid's shows, Japanese-oriented shows and the older anime is probably even greater. Won't be surprised if there is some show for children I don't even know about that has millions of viewers. 

Right, the adaptation has brought DN to the news. But I dunno, I mean it, haven't seen DN discussed outside of the anime community. And I see no reason why would it, it is just a cartoon. There are detective/mystery stories that are quite on par with it, it is not like DN is a must watch quality-wise. Even if a person sees it I can't see him being adamantly promoting it.
Maybe your friends know about it because DN was shown on tv in your state or something?..

I mean, "cultured" people know Miyazaki same way as they know Agatha Christie or Spielberg, and if they are going to remember at least one of his works then I would bet on Totoro, I might be wrong though. I don't expect them to have watched these though.

Sure, but then it is better to say "DN is the most popular seasonal tv show", avoiding comparing it to films, OVAs, weekly series, etc. Would be fair for all these other formats =)

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(04-25-2018, 02:54 AM)Sindar Wrote: Really, there were Olympic athletes talking about that show? That is cool. I wonder if they had a good laugh about it : D I have no idea how popular any of these shows is, I'll take your word for it. The bias against kid's shows, Japanese-oriented shows and the older anime is probably even greater. Won't be surprised if there is some show for children I don't even know about that has millions of viewers. 

Right, the adaptation has brought DN to the news. But I dunno, I mean it, haven't seen DN discussed outside of the anime community. And I see no reason why would it, it is just a cartoon. There are detective/mystery stories that are quite on par with it, it is not like DN is a must watch quality-wise. Even if a person sees it I can't see him being adamantly promoting it.
Maybe your friends know about it because DN was shown on tv in your state or something?..

I mean, "cultured" people know Miyazaki same way as they know Agatha Christie or Spielberg, and if they are going to remember at least one of his works then I would bet on Totoro, I might be wrong though. I don't expect them to have watched these though.

Sure, but then it is better to say "DN is the most popular seasonal tv show", avoiding comparing it to films, OVAs, weekly series, etc. Would be fair for all these other formats =)


It also had a track called Yuri On Ice that was used as one of the instrumentals whenever Yuri started skating, and that track was used a few times in the recent Winter Olympics. So, yes, it is legit popular.

It was already in the know, but the adaptation brought it to the fore-front. And, no I disagree. I think it's an amazing show and I think it's a must watch quality wise, but that's a debate for another day. I know at least 50 people in real life who've watched it, and only one person I know has dropped it. Nope, anime as a medium isn't consumed here via TV. Other than Dragon Ball, Shin Chan and Doraemon. And, the latter two probably get insane ratings since there's lot a ton of re-runs for both of them. Pokemon too.

"Cultured" people wouldn't exist if Disney hadn't acquired the distribution rights to his works, though. It's because of Disney that his works are popular in Europe and US.

I'm not warranting that comparison at all.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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KuranKaname
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(04-25-2018, 07:59 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: It also had a track called Yuri On Ice that was used as one of the instrumentals whenever Yuri started skating, and that track was used a few times in the recent Winter Olympics. So, yes, it is legit popular.

It was already in the know, but the adaptation brought it to the fore-front. And, no I disagree. I think it's an amazing show and I think it's a must watch quality wise, but that's a debate for another day. I know at least 50 people in real life who've watched it, and only one person I know has dropped it. Nope, anime as a medium isn't consumed here via TV. Other than Dragon Ball, Shin Chan and Doraemon. And, the latter two probably get insane ratings since there's lot a ton of re-runs for both of them. Pokemon too.

"Cultured" people wouldn't exist if Disney hadn't acquired the distribution rights to his works, though. It's because of Disney that his works are popular in Europe and US.

I'm not warranting that comparison at all.

I heard crap about that anime and it's used in Olympics is quite shocking.

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(04-25-2018, 08:43 PM)KuranKaname Wrote: I heard crap about that anime and it's used in Olympics is quite shocking.


It's not crap it's average/above average.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Sindar
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(04-25-2018, 07:59 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: It also had a track called Yuri On Ice that was used as one of the instrumentals whenever Yuri started skating, and that track was used a few times in the recent Winter Olympics. So, yes, it is legit popular.

It was already in the know, but the adaptation brought it to the fore-front. And, no I disagree. I think it's an amazing show and I think it's a must watch quality wise, but that's a debate for another day. I know at least 50 people in real life who've watched it, and only one person I know has dropped it. Nope, anime as a medium isn't consumed here via TV. Other than Dragon Ball, Shin Chan and Doraemon. And, the latter two probably get insane ratings since there's lot a ton of re-runs for both of them. Pokemon too.

"Cultured" people wouldn't exist if Disney hadn't acquired the distribution rights to his works, though. It's because of Disney that his works are popular in Europe and US.

I'm not warranting that comparison at all.

Wow. I wonder how many of the people involved with the actual sport have seen it. That sounds like a huge honor to the animation team. I've never heard about other sports anime being mentioned together with the real life sports.
Though skating isn't shy of pop culture references. I remember there was this Sailor Moon style performance by a russian skater not so long ago. And as far as the music goes they choose all sorts of popular tracks.

Okay =) Would be fun to talk about it some time. 

That is really interesting. But I firmly believe your circle is a huge outlier, normally there should be no way to find ~50 non anime fans who have seen DN  (assuming you were talking about people who aren't watching anime, cause I never contested the fact that anime viewers are aware of DN). Oh well, I can't prove anything, it is a question of statistics and arguing without having data is a bit meaningless.

Doesn't really matter why people know Miyazaki : D Well known figures aren't automatically the greatest in their fields. I am only saying that if I am choosing an industry name that I hope a person from the general "cultured" public knows, I would bet on Miyazaki, there is almost no competition for him. That shouldn't necessarily translate into a better recognition for his works, but it might.
Also I know word "cultured" sounds kinda bad, I am just talking about people who have really good general knowledge. It is surprising how many people are just interested in knowing basics facts about everything. Often it is a superfluous and useless knowledge, but you know, whatever, everyone has their hobbies.

Well okay. I don't really feel like arguing against DN being the most popular seasonal tv show : D Like, it still sounds like a questionable statement to make, but it is also so modest that I am okay at handing the honor over to Death Note xD

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(04-26-2018, 02:16 AM)Sindar Wrote: Wow. I wonder how many of the people involved with the actual sport have seen it. That sounds like a huge honor to the animation team. I've never heard about other sports anime being mentioned together with the real life sports.
Though skating isn't shy of pop culture references. I remember there was this Sailor Moon style performance by a russian skater not so long ago. And as far as the music goes they choose all sorts of popular tracks.

Okay =) Would be fun to talk about it some time. 

That is really interesting. But I firmly believe your circle is a huge outlier, normally there should be no way to find ~50 non anime fans who have seen DN  (assuming you were talking about people who aren't watching anime, cause I never contested the fact that anime viewers are aware of DN). Oh well, I can't prove anything, it is a question of statistics and arguing without having data is a bit meaningless.

Doesn't really matter why people know Miyazaki : D Well known figures aren't automatically the greatest in their fields. I am only saying that if I am choosing an industry name that I hope a person from the general "cultured" public knows, I would bet on Miyazaki, there is almost no competition for him. That shouldn't necessarily translate into a better recognition for his works, but it might.
Also I know word "cultured" sounds kinda bad, I am just talking about people who have really good general knowledge. It is surprising how many people are just interested in knowing basics facts about everything. Often it is a superfluous and useless knowledge, but you know, whatever, everyone has their hobbies.

Well okay. I don't really feel like arguing against DN being the most popular seasonal tv show : D Like, it still sounds like a questionable statement to make, but it is also so modest that I am okay at handing the honor over to Death Note xD

I guess maybe because the other sports are too big, and they are already represented in mainstream Hollywood films. The only film involving figure skating I've heard of in recent times is I, Tonyo, which was nominated for a few Oscars(the film has terrible CGI during the figure-skating scenes, though).

No, at least 90% of those people don't watch anime(unless watching DBZ is counted as having watched anime). Yeah, I don't want to prolong this argument. There's no quantified data, and we are arguing on the basis of abstractions, circles and assumptions.

To that yes, I agree. Miyazaki is perhaps the single most famous personality when it comes to anime. But, even in this forum a lot of people don't know about Miyazaki, and these are people who've watched more than a hundred anime(and even one or two of his films).

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Sindar
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(04-26-2018, 05:23 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I guess maybe because the other sports are too big, and they are already represented in mainstream Hollywood films. The only film involving figure skating I've heard of in recent times is I, Tonyo, which was nominated for a few Oscars(the film has terrible CGI during the figure-skating scenes, though).

No, at least 90% of those people don't watch anime(unless watching DBZ is counted as having watched anime). Yeah, I don't want to prolong this argument. There's no quantified data, and we are arguing on the basis of abstractions, circles and assumptions.

To that yes, I agree. Miyazaki is perhaps the single most famous personality when it comes to anime. But, even in this forum a lot of people don't know about Miyazaki, and these are people who've watched more than a hundred anime(and even one or two of his films).

Right. And the fact that skaters habitually reference pop culture in their performances probably has a lot to do with it. The people who script their performances are probably keeping an eye out for things that would be cool to insert into the dance and music.

That is really unexpected to me =)

Yep, that is why I was talking specifically about people who have lots of general knowledge.

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