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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(03-25-2018, 06:43 PM)Sindar Wrote: Yeah, I like that too. The translations that this team produces are also really good quality. They work on a relatively few projects though.

I know what you mean, I hardly read any manga a year ago, was only following a couple long running series. If I wasn't trying to learn German I wouldn't have read 90% of what I did in this last year  xD Like, right now I am reading Koi Tomurai, it is a small collection of romantic stories; the only reason I got to it was because I am pretty much reading whatever I find on that site, can't be picky. Turns out, it is a nice manga, I like it. Same story with Higurashi or Umineko. I would have probably never even thought about reading the manga if I had a lot of other choices. But apparently the Umineko manga is much-much better than the anime version. It is a genuinely great mystery story, better than many of the crime novels I've read. For instance, it is more complex and detailed than the Sherlock Holmes short stories I am reading now (it is an unfair comparison I know, Doyle was a pioneer and back then a lot of the crime novel concepts weren't even developed yet). So I kinda like that the scarcity forces me to try new genres and obscure series.

Yep, I plan to keep watching tv series. There are quite a few I wanna see. Probably not the current season yet, but I don't know.


I avoided Umineko for basically the same reason. I loved Higurashi, and fans of Umineko really crap on the anime so I didn't watch it. Funny thing is, fans of Higurashi's original game didn't like the anime too when it came out, but the anime outgrew them, whereas Umineko didn't. 

What are your thoughts on Tempest's plot, animation, music, and pacing?

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Sindar
Retired Staff

(03-25-2018, 08:46 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I avoided Umineko for basically the same reason. I loved Higurashi, and fans of Umineko really crap on the anime so I didn't watch it. Funny thing is, fans of Higurashi's original game didn't like the anime too when it came out, but the anime outgrew them, whereas Umineko didn't. 

What are your thoughts on Tempest's plot, animation, music, and pacing?

I you ever feel like reading another huge manga series, think of giving Umineko a try. I am pretty impressed by it. I haven't read all of it yet though, so I just assume it remains as good for the rest of its run. The anime does look pretty awful : D I haven't seen it though, so I wouldn't know. It is a very big manga and as far as I know the anime should cover only a small part of the story and is probably rushed.

Tempest is pretty decent. It is a character drama; there is a ton of action and important events going on, but all of that is a background for the few protagonists, giving us an excuse to watch them do things, display their personalities, and eventually grow and change. If you accept this point of view, then I'd say the plot and the pacing are pretty good, they did what they wanted. There aren't many anime with obviously better dramatic stories (there tons with different dramatic stories though; I am just saying that Tempest isn't inferior to some other show, to the best of my knowledge). However, if you don't accept this point of view, then you can call it a very mediocre action show with silly out of place comedy and ridiculous setups and plot twists. So, it depends on how you see it =) The music is very-very good. It is a classical orchestral score, and there is a lot of it, I am pretty impressed by how it was used in the show. Animation is okay, nothing too impressive, but the quality is consistent. Also, if you are a big fan of Shakespeare you'll be happy to hear a bajillion quotes from the guy, especially from Hamlet and The Tempest.

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(03-26-2018, 05:59 AM)Sindar Wrote: I you ever feel like reading another huge manga series, think of giving Umineko a try. I am pretty impressed by it. I haven't read all of it yet though, so I just assume it remains as good for the rest of its run. The anime does look pretty awful : D I haven't seen it though, so I wouldn't know. It is a very big manga and as far as I know the anime should cover only a small part of the story and is probably rushed.

Tempest is pretty decent. It is a character drama; there is a ton of action and important events going on, but all of that is a background for the few protagonists, giving us an excuse to watch them do things, display their personalities, and eventually grow and change. If you accept this point of view, then I'd say the plot and the pacing are pretty good, they did what they wanted. There aren't many anime with obviously better dramatic stories (there tons with different dramatic stories though; I am just saying that Tempest isn't inferior to some other show, to the best of my knowledge). However, if you don't accept this point of view, then you can call it a very mediocre action show with silly out of place comedy and ridiculous setups and plot twists. So, it depends on how you see it =) The music is very-very good. It is a classical orchestral score, and there is a lot of it, I am pretty impressed by how it was used in the show. Animation is okay, nothing too impressive, but the quality is consistent. Also, if you are a big fan of Shakespeare you'll be happy to hear a bajillion quotes from the guy, especially from Hamlet and The Tempest.

For now, finishing Tokyo Ghoul, starting Berserk, and getting into Kingdom are my priorities as far as manga is concerned, but I do have my eye on Umineko, I did watch a review of the anime and the plot is fairly intriguing, so I'll surely give it a go in the future.
That's great to hear. And, yeah, I like drama, it's just that after watching Fairy Tail, I came to learn to differentiate between action sequences done well, and ones that are terrible, and the latter is unfortunately more in number, so I don't really get into an anime for action. I've been wanting to watch this show called Rakugo Shinjuu which is also a drama, about an artform called Rakugo.
Quotes thrown around nicely like Psycho-Pass or in a terrible way like Guilty Crown?

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Sindar
Retired Staff

(03-26-2018, 06:26 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: For now, finishing Tokyo Ghoul, starting Berserk, and getting into Kingdom are my priorities as far as manga is concerned, but I do have my eye on Umineko, I did watch a review of the anime and the plot is fairly intriguing, so I'll surely give it a go in the future.
That's great to hear. And, yeah, I like drama, it's just that after watching Fairy Tail, I came to learn to differentiate between action sequences done well, and ones that are terrible, and the latter is unfortunately more in number, so I don't really get into an anime for action. I've been wanting to watch this show called Rakugo Shinjuu which is also a drama, about an artform called Rakugo.
Quotes thrown around nicely like Psycho-Pass or in a terrible way like Guilty Crown?

Sounds good. Just wanted to make a suggestion, Umineko is one of those hidden gems manga that you are not likely to find going by popularity/rankings/recommendations. I am a big fun of detective stories or similar style mysteries and good ones are pretty rare in anime or manga. Higurashi is promising, but I haven't read enough to see how good it is as a mystery (it is definitely great as a thriller though). Accidentally Kubikiri Cycle seems to be a decent mystery story so far. Don't know if I can name a lot more though =) I like stories where the reader can try to solve the mystery, where it is a fair play, at least to an extent. It is really fun to compare your theories with what the characters come up with, see what you missed and what you didn't, that sort of thing.

Tempest isn't horrible as far as action goes. Not much worse than Tokyo Ghoul or Toaru Majutsu no Index, and probably better than Seirei no Moribito. It is just not the show's strong point. You can't compare it to Hellsing OVA or Baccano where what happens on the screen is just awesome in its own right or with anime like Psycho Pass or Madoka Magica, where the various events build up a great story. But I liked watching Tempest regardless. 

There is just one character who is way too much into Shakespeare and quotes him a lot. Other characters sometimes refer to what that person said, subsequently repeating the quotes. It is not annoying (at least it wasn't for me), and if I've read these plays I would have probably enjoyed the references, they are definitely not random. What is up with Guilty Crown, whom are they quoting? =)

Rakugo Shinjuu looks pretty interesting =) Showing Rakugo in an anime without being boring or drawn out sounds like a pretty hard task. They probably know what they are doing though, so it should be interesting to watch.

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(03-26-2018, 11:56 PM)Sindar Wrote: Sounds good. Just wanted to make a suggestion, Umineko is one of those hidden gems manga that you are not likely to find going by popularity/rankings/recommendations. I am a big fun of detective stories or similar style mysteries and good ones are pretty rare in anime or manga. Higurashi is promising, but I haven't read enough to see how good it is as a mystery (it is definitely great as a thriller though). Accidentally Kubikiri Cycle seems to be a decent mystery story so far. Don't know if I can name a lot more though =) I like stories where the reader can try to solve the mystery, where it is a fair play, at least to an extent. It is really fun to compare your theories with what the characters come up with, see what you missed and what you didn't, that sort of thing.

Tempest isn't horrible as far as action goes. Not much worse than Tokyo Ghoul or Toaru Majutsu no Index, and probably better than Seirei no Moribito. It is just not the show's strong point. You can't compare it to Hellsing OVA or Baccano where what happens on the screen is just awesome in its own right or with anime like Psycho Pass or Madoka Magica, where the various events build up a great story. But I liked watching Tempest regardless. 

There is just one character who is way too much into Shakespeare and quotes him a lot. Other characters sometimes refer to what that person said, subsequently repeating the quotes. It is not annoying (at least it wasn't for me), and if I've read these plays I would have probably enjoyed the references, they are definitely not random. What is up with Guilty Crown, whom are they quoting? =)

Rakugo Shinjuu looks pretty interesting =) Showing Rakugo in an anime without being boring or drawn out sounds like a pretty hard task. They probably know what they are doing though, so it should be interesting to watch.


Did the manga completely adapt the game? Manga adaptations tend to be incomplete a lot of times.
Higurashi season 1 functions as more of a thriller, it's full of questions and characters don't know what's going on. Season 2 is a mystery, with the characters trying to find answers.

The first half of Erased was a good guessing game, but, they gave away the 'plot twist' in the beginning of the second half so that was a major let-down.

Is Kubikiri episodic or does it have a narrative(I'm cool with both)?

Better than Moribito? One of the things that Moribito impressed me with were the combat sequences, so, that's great. Pus, Tempest is a Bones show and action(or rather, animation and direction) is something they've never disappointed me with. Even in a mundane and boring show like Gosick.
I'm interested in Index, since it seems to have a lot of neat ideas, but Index and Railgun together span 100 episodes, so that's just... a lot. You gonna watch Index season 3? I think it starts this year.

Well, there's one character in particular, who sort of tries to be a version of Makishima Shogo, say, a good guy version, who's gathered an army or rebellion force under him. He throws around quotes like Shogo, trying to appear charismatic, but it comes across as being terribly cheesy. The quotes themselves don't make sense.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Angel
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there will be new sequels for hatirojime my hero too. i am eagerly waiting for it. it's so cute and i can never get enough of it

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Sindar
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(03-27-2018, 12:25 AM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: Did the manga completely adapt the game? Manga adaptations tend to be incomplete a lot of times.
Higurashi season 1 functions as more of a thriller, it's full of questions and characters don't know what's going on. Season 2 is a mystery, with the characters trying to find answers.

The first half of Erased was a good guessing game, but, they gave away the 'plot twist' in the beginning of the second half so that was a major let-down.

Is Kubikiri episodic or does it have a narrative(I'm cool with both)?

Better than Moribito? One of the things that Moribito impressed me with were the combat sequences, so, that's great. Pus, Tempest is a Bones show and action(or rather, animation and direction) is something they've never disappointed me with. Even in a mundane and boring show like Gosick.
I'm interested in Index, since it seems to have a lot of neat ideas, but Index and Railgun together span 100 episodes, so that's just... a lot. You gonna watch Index season 3? I think it starts this year.

Well, there's one character in particular, who sort of tries to be a version of Makishima Shogo, say, a good guy version, who's gathered an army or rebellion force under him. He throws around quotes like Shogo, trying to appear charismatic, but it comes across as being terribly cheesy. The quotes themselves don't make sense.

I don't know for sure, but I think it did. It is very detailed, follows no particular format and was drawn by different artists, I see no reason why they would want to omit any part of the original story. No time constrains, no format constrains, a huge easy angered fanbase, sounds like a good idea to stick to the original as close as possible =)

Well the second iteration of the story (I am talking about these time cycles) is already giving off that sense of a solvable mystery story. It doesn't give away enough evidence though. But it is the same with Umineko, you can't solve it from the get go, you can only test some theories here and there.

I see =) Perfect Insider might be one of these too, though I haven't seen it.

It is not, it is has a continuous plot. It is a single mystery story, as far as I can tell. Apparently it is the first work by the guy who wrote Monogatari and some other relatively famous series. The Kubikiri novel even won some kind of award.

Moribito has a few great fights, with realistic choreography and such. There were some pretty bad ones too, like the Jiguro's final fight. And the final battle against supernatural things felt completely out of place and questionable. I feel like you can rewrite the Jiguro's fight as well as redo the whole ending, possibly removing that whole fight against the earth spirits (or what they were called) and get a better anime. That is what I mean =)

Tempest looks pretty great at times. I watched it from a streaming site, so I missed on the crisp visuals, but even there were moments where I wanted to make screenshots. 

I've seen 6 episodes of the first season of Index, I believe this covered the first novel and it has a very conclusive ending. So I stopped there : D The show didn't give me a reason to watch more. I liked the way this arc ended, it was pretty cool, worth watching. I might watch more one day, but I have no plans yet. It is such a typical shonen show, with all sorts of silliness, I am usually trying to avoid these.

Okay, I can see how that could be annoying.

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(03-27-2018, 08:02 PM)Sindar Wrote: I don't know for sure, but I think it did. It is very detailed, follows no particular format and was drawn by different artists, I see no reason why they would want to omit any part of the original story. No time constrains, no format constrains, a huge easy angered fanbase, sounds like a good idea to stick to the original as close as possible =)

Well the second iteration of the story (I am talking about these time cycles) is already giving off that sense of a solvable mystery story. It doesn't give away enough evidence though. But it is the same with Umineko, you can't solve it from the get go, you can only test some theories here and there.

I see =) Perfect Insider might be one of these too, though I haven't seen it.

It is not, it is has a continuous plot. It is a single mystery story, as far as I can tell. Apparently it is the first work by the guy who wrote Monogatari and some other relatively famous series. The Kubikiri novel even won some kind of award.

Moribito has a few great fights, with realistic choreography and such. There were some pretty bad ones too, like the Jiguro's final fight. And the final battle against supernatural things felt completely out of place and questionable. I feel like you can rewrite the Jiguro's fight as well as redo the whole ending, possibly removing that whole fight against the earth spirits (or what they were called) and get a better anime. That is what I mean =)

Tempest looks pretty great at times. I watched it from a streaming site, so I missed on the crisp visuals, but even there were moments where I wanted to make screenshots. 

I've seen 6 episodes of the first season of Index, I believe this covered the first novel and it has a very conclusive ending. So I stopped there : D The show didn't give me a reason to watch more. I liked the way this arc ended, it was pretty cool, worth watching. I might watch more one day, but I have no plans yet. It is such a typical shonen show, with all sorts of silliness, I am usually trying to avoid these.

Okay, I can see how that could be annoying.


That's pretty cool. The good thing about studio Deen is that they pick stuff that aren't all that famous, and make sure they adapt everything when it's at least remotely successful. On the flip side, their production is always mediocre, and they can be hit or miss when it comes to adaptations(Fate Stay Night, Umineko, Ito Junji).

I see. They still don't have all the required pieces so they are still left out of the loop(no pun intended).

My guess was wrong then. It's not that it reminded me of Shaft, but it actually reminded me of Monogatari. That's pretty cool. The guy who wrote it is like insanely successful, with many, many anime adaptations of his novels.

I mean, the ending itself falls apart, being transformed into a dumb shonen climax with a monster fight, but yeah I agree. I still can't give enough credit to the hand-to-hand fight scenes though. It should have adapted two novels and it should have been 13 episodes(combined). All light novel adaptations cover 2 volumes, and sometimes three, per season. This one covered 1 in like 26 episodes, and the narrative is really stretched out.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Sindar
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(03-27-2018, 08:56 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register] Exact same quality drops can be found in the Kubikiri Cycle. It is pretty interesting how they do it too, it was clearly a decision to save money on background motion animation, making extremely cheap frames when characters are far enough from the camera. I don't really care, I am fine with going from amazing to bad and back, it is better than staying with mediocre.

I've seen all but last episode, and I'd say it is pretty decent writing. It is not really deep or philosophical, but the characters are fairly unusual, complex enough to spend a few hours arguing about them, and the way the story treats them is pretty great. I've seen way too many shows where the protagonist has been getting a special treatment, where everyone loves and praises him, and so on. This one is different.

True. Can't name a better anime for realistic spear combat. 
That is hard thing to argue =) I thought about what could be cut off from Moribito to make it better, and I didn't come up with much. I guess you can straight up rewrite it in a different manner, but that would be a different anime. But if they did manage to put all of it in 13 episodes without loosing the tone of the story I would be happy I think.

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(03-28-2018, 10:28 PM)Sindar Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register] Exact same quality drops can be found in the Kubikiri Cycle. It is pretty interesting how they do it too, it was clearly a decision to save money on background motion animation, making extremely cheap frames when characters are far enough from the camera. I don't really care, I am fine with going from amazing to bad and back, it is better than staying with mediocre.

I've seen all but last episode, and I'd say it is pretty decent writing. It is not really deep or philosophical, but the characters are fairly unusual, complex enough to spend a few hours arguing about them, and the way the story treats them is pretty great. I've seen way too many shows where the protagonist has been getting a special treatment, where everyone loves and praises him, and so on. This one is different.

True. Can't name a better anime for realistic spear combat. 
That is hard thing to argue =) I thought about what could be cut off from Moribito to make it better, and I didn't come up with much. I guess you can straight up rewrite it in a different manner, but that would be a different anime. But if they did manage to put all of it in 13 episodes without loosing the tone of the story I would be happy I think.


I believe I mentioned it in my reply Smile.

The signature pose in Monogatari is the head tilt:
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Though the above gif is sort of an extreme.

Haven't watched Madoka so wouldn't know(have seen clips though so I get what you are saying).
Monogatari is mostly characters sitting around and talking, and weird stuff popping up here and there, but what you are saying kind of applies here too. Though, Shaft tends to go all out when the end of an arc approaches, as I mentioned before. Here's an example:
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I'll be sure to check it out then.

I'd say that the middle portion in which Balsa and Chagum are sitting around in a hut, Shuga is spouting expository plot points every single episode, etc can be easily cut out. Plus, I'd say that the first 6-7 episodes are close to perfect, so if you can bring it down to like 5, cut down the middle to like 3 or 4, you get 4 or 5 episodes for the last arc, which is more than enough. And, there'd be more tension felt, since all of that was sucked out during the middle.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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