Worst arc of all in one piece

Nel
(08-07-2017, 11:12 PM)Sindar Wrote: What about it? =)

So, kishimoto isn't that creative to insert skills? I never thought itachi is the good guy and the same goes to ichimaru gin in bleach

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MadaraUchiha
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(08-08-2017, 06:25 AM)Sindar Wrote: I see =) Maybe I don't feel that way cause I occasionally re-read random parts of the manga. And I expect Zoro to play a huge role in Wano arc, so I don't mind him being off the stage for a while. 

I like what he does with side characters too. I understand why people still hold hope that Vivi will return to journey with Luffy some more.
I totally forgot about Wano arc. Just one doubt, is the arc gonna end in the manga, or is it in the middle? 
At this stage, I'm not quite sure what she can do though. But, it'll be interesting when they re-unite.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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(08-10-2017, 01:00 AM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I totally forgot about Wano arc. Just one doubt, is the arc gonna end in the manga, or is it in the middle? 
At this stage, I'm not quite sure what she can do though. But, it'll be interesting when they re-unite.
You mean the current one? I have no idea, it is pretty fast paced, everything changes too fast to guess how long it will keep going. Either Wano or Reverie should go next, who knows though.

Vivi is a noble, that is something Strawhats don'y have yet. She can work with them towards some common goals, especially if Reverie would be what I imagine it to be, a huge gathering of all characters connected with nobility. It is not like any pirate crew can just walk in and take on the government+world nobles+marines, so I feel like Vivi could provide some essential help there. She doesn't need to be working with Luffy though, she can join Sabo and Dragon, I'd be happy with that too. But then, so far Oda never made an arc that wasn't centered on strawhats, I don't expect him to change this rule. So those are all just fantasies so far =)

(08-09-2017, 02:18 AM)Nel Wrote: So, kishimoto isn't that creative to insert skills? I never thought itachi is the good guy and the same goes to ichimaru gin in bleach
Were there any hints that would have allowed the reader to predict Itachi's true intentions? I don't remember any. That is the difference. Same with Gin. It is very easy to insert unexpected events, it is slightly harder to insert events that make sense looking back at them, but the hardest thing is to give the reader a fair chance of guessing that something will happen before it does. Kubo used to do the first thing, Kishimoto - the second, and Oda goes for the toughest one.

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MadaraUchiha
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(08-14-2017, 01:59 AM)Sindar Wrote: You mean the current one? I have no idea, it is pretty fast paced, everything changes too fast to guess how long it will keep going. Either Wano or Reverie should go next, who knows though.

Vivi is a noble, that is something Strawhats don'y have yet. She can work with them towards some common goals, especially if Reverie would be what I imagine it to be, a huge gathering of all characters connected with nobility. It is not like any pirate crew can just walk in and take on the government+world nobles+marines, so I feel like Vivi could provide some essential help there. She doesn't need to be working with Luffy though, she can join Sabo and Dragon, I'd be happy with that too. But then, so far Oda never made an arc that wasn't centered on strawhats, I don't expect him to change this rule. So those are all just fantasies so far =)

Were there any hints that would have allowed the reader to predict Itachi's true intentions? I don't remember any. That is the difference. Same with Gin. It is very easy to insert unexpected events, it is slightly harder to insert events that make sense looking back at them, but the hardest thing is to give the reader a fair chance of guessing that something will happen before it does. Kubo used to do the first thing, Kishimoto - the second, and Oda goes for the toughest one.
Face-palm. I guess it's only a matter of time before I start getting fed up of the anime and start reading the manga.
Reverie arc seems like a place in which further conflict will escalate. I'd prefer it if Wano came next.

Well, I think that Vivi siding with the revolutionaries makes more sense than joining Luffy. They are friends, but, them joining doesn't make any sense for me. And, at this point, it wouldn't make sense to not make an arc without them. Their strength is 9. Plus, Dragon is Luffy's father, so, why should there be an arc focused on the revolutionaries without Luffy involved.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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(08-14-2017, 06:44 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: Face-palm. I guess it's only a matter of time before I start getting fed up of the anime and start reading the manga.
Reverie arc seems like a place in which further conflict will escalate. I'd prefer it if Wano came next.

Well, I think that Vivi siding with the revolutionaries makes more sense than joining Luffy. They are friends, but, them joining doesn't make any sense for me. And, at this point, it wouldn't make sense to not make an arc without them. Their strength is 9. Plus, Dragon is Luffy's father, so, why should there be an arc focused on the revolutionaries without Luffy involved.
xD Well you can wait two more months and see if the anime's pace would improve =) I've seen a lot of complaints about seducing woods part from the manga fans as well, so maybe it isn't entirely the animators fault. Fun fact about pacing, people who do live reaction to the manga are usually reading each chapter in 10 minutes, and each anime episode is usually covering a single chapter. So reading manga at this pace should feel like 2x speed, but no more.

I kinda hope the two arcs would start at the same time and get intertwined. The formula "one arc - one island" is a bit too simple, Oda can do better than this. I often compare One Piece with Game of Thrones in terms of narrative, I think Oda could adopt some of this style, having multiple events go in parallel influencing each other. I don't know though. Like, imagine Zoro and Law leading the operation at Wano while Robin and Franky and revolutionaries are stack at the Reverie, and Luffy doing something across the two places. I wonder if that is possible with 20 pages long chapters though.

Right, it probably wouldn't happen =)

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(08-15-2017, 02:18 AM)Sindar Wrote: xD Well you can wait two more months and see if the anime's pace would improve =) I've seen a lot of complaints about seducing woods part from the manga fans as well, so maybe it isn't entirely the animators fault. Fun fact about pacing, people who do live reaction to the manga are usually reading each chapter in 10 minutes, and each anime episode is usually covering a single chapter. So reading manga at this pace should feel like 2x speed, but no more.

I kinda hope the two arcs would start at the same time and get intertwined. The formula "one arc - one island" is a bit too simple, Oda can do better than this. I often compare One Piece with Game of Thrones in terms of narrative, I think Oda could adopt some of this style, having multiple events go in parallel influencing each other. I don't know though. Like, imagine Zoro and Law leading the operation at Wano while Robin and Franky and revolutionaries are stack at the Reverie, and Luffy doing something across the two places. I wonder if that is possible with 20 pages long chapters though.

Right, it probably wouldn't happen =)
I'm comfortable with multiple POV's. The problem is, Game of Thrones is 50 minutes long, and it has been doing this since season 1. And now, almost every point of view has almost converged(I hope you've watched the latest episode in season 7). And, live-reactions are one thing, they actually react to stuff, and that takes time, plus, they don't just read it. In some cases, they actually interpret and explain what happens. Normally(or at least for me), a manga chapter takes 4 min to read, tops. And, it's usually 20 pages long. It's difficult for me to imagine how Oda is going to balance everything. I mean, Naruto did that in Naruto Shippuden, with alternating arcs focusing on Naruto and Sasuke pretty successfully, so, I guess it can be done. But, the point here is it was singularly(or at least mostly) focused on one of these two characters. In Sasuke's arcs, Naruto plays a small role, and in Naruto-centric arcs, Sasuke doesn't make an appearance at all. The one example I can think of in which he balanced both of them was during the Fourth Great Shinobi War, when he switched between Naruto fighting with the armies, and Sasuke and Itachi fighting against Kabuto, and again, when Naruto was fighting the war, and Sasuke was talking to the Hokage, though in the latter instance, it was still mostly focused on Sasuke.
I'd be happy if both arcs happen at the same time. It'd be something new. And, it can give ammunition to the animators to somehow make the pacing better, because they have more room to add new elements to prolong the run-time, whenever they switch POV.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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(08-15-2017, 08:34 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I'm comfortable with multiple POV's. The problem is, Game of Thrones is 50 minutes long, and it has been doing this since season 1. And now, almost every point of view has almost converged(I hope you've watched the latest episode in season 7). And, live-reactions are one thing, they actually react to stuff, and that takes time, plus, they don't just read it. In some cases, they actually interpret and explain what happens. Normally(or at least for me), a manga chapter takes 4 min to read, tops. And, it's usually 20 pages long. It's difficult for me to imagine how Oda is going to balance everything. I mean, Naruto did that in Naruto Shippuden, with alternating arcs focusing on Naruto and Sasuke pretty successfully, so, I guess it can be done. But, the point here is it was singularly(or at least mostly) focused on one of these two characters. In Sasuke's arcs, Naruto plays a small role, and in Naruto-centric arcs, Sasuke doesn't make an appearance at all. The one example I can think of in which he balanced both of them was during the Fourth Great Shinobi War, when he switched between Naruto fighting with the armies, and Sasuke and Itachi fighting against Kabuto, and again, when Naruto was fighting the war, and Sasuke was talking to the Hokage, though in the latter instance, it was still mostly focused on Sasuke.
I'd be happy if both arcs happen at the same time. It'd be something new. And, it can give ammunition to the animators to somehow make the pacing better, because they have more room to add new elements to prolong the run-time, whenever they switch POV.
Don't worry about spoilers, I've given up on those books long time ago : D

 It would probably be harder to do in OP than it was in Naruto, because even not the series feel jam-packed with events compared with other manga. When I started to read OP I felt like I was reading animation storyboards, because of how dense the manga is. I don't think Oda would be able to pack any more material in there, without going the Togashi route (putting in walls of text that sometimes cover most of the panel space).

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MadaraUchiha
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(08-15-2017, 11:06 PM)Sindar Wrote: Don't worry about spoilers, I've given up on those books long time ago : D

 It would probably be harder to do in OP than it was in Naruto, because even not the series feel jam-packed with events compared with other manga. When I started to read OP I felt like I was reading animation storyboards, because of how dense the manga is. I don't think Oda would be able to pack any more material in there, without going the Togashi route (putting in walls of text that sometimes cover most of the panel space).
I see. Well, I guess we perceive things differently, after being fed with different media. Though, I didn't understand your Togashi analogy.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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(08-16-2017, 09:44 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register] Slightly more text then you would expect from a manga.

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(08-16-2017, 10:30 PM)Sindar Wrote: [Only registered and activated users can see links Click here to register] Slightly more text then you would expect from a manga.

Access denied. But, I guess I kinda get it.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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