Hellsing manga and anime

Mine
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(11-01-2016, 02:17 AM)Minj369 Wrote: I just read this... i have to say, even though, some things might have a great scope for younger Audiances, this is not the case here, in Hellsing and in many other Anime's the stories are just too comlex and well horrible even for 13 year olds to understand... let's put Elfen lied as a great exmple! the issue in that story is soo deeply rooted in how our sociey behaves that even 18 and 19 year olds didn't understand the story. it's not about how they rate Anime's it's how mature you really are to understand the depth of the story, and like i told Nel, the gore, Violence and curse words are just add ons for the completion of a great story

Honestly, I didn't watch elfen lied because of the nudity and I don't want to watch things that are closer to hentai. I agree with itachisasuke on this. Some things after censoring and with much simplification can be released for younger audience as well. I hope I am making sense in a way

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Minj369
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(11-02-2016, 12:07 AM)Mine Wrote: Honestly, I didn't watch elfen lied because of the nudity and I don't want to watch things that are closer to hentai. I agree with itachisasuke on this. Some things after censoring and with much simplification can be released for younger audience as well. I hope I am making sense in a way

well, the nudity is not the issue in Elfen lied and well, it's so far off from Hentai that you missed the point in miles... i can't see the use of censorship... life is not censored and the awfully hurting subjects that are passed through those "R" rated Anime's can never be understood in a young age like 13 or even 18 sometimes, like i teach my daughter, All in good time. no kid should dwell on how rotten society is from the inside before they even know what it is. that's just one subject of many that are taught in time, knowledge is aquired and not fed, if someone wants to ignore certain things he can not watch or read anything about that subject, but some people are just not old enough mentally to understand the complexity of society or the mind of a war monger. that is why, they are not censored. because the truth is as ugly as gore in some subjects, the Mangaka see it fit to the subject and i see no wrong in rating shows R rated as long as the story and not only the graphic use of gore is present, people watched Elfen leid and didn't understand is at 19 and 20, so i can't say that it can be more simplified than the way it was shown also, Tokyo ghoul is very graphic but the story is really heavy and the meaning is very complex for a 13 to 19 to understand ofcourse depending on how mentally and intellectually they are developed.

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Nel
(11-02-2016, 01:03 AM)Minj369 Wrote: well, the nudity is not the issue in Elfen lied and well, it's so far off from Hentai that you missed the point in miles... i can't see the use of censorship... life is not censored and the awfully hurting subjects that are passed through those "R" rated Anime's can never be understood in a young age like 13 or even 18 sometimes, like i teach my daughter, All in good time. no kid should dwell on how rotten society is from the inside before they even know what it is. that's just one subject of many that are taught in time, knowledge is aquired and not fed, if someone wants to ignore certain things he can not watch or read anything about that subject, but some people are just not old enough mentally to understand the complexity of society or the mind of a war monger. that is why, they are not censored. because the truth is as ugly as gore in some subjects, the Mangaka see it fit to the subject and i see no wrong in rating shows R rated as long as the story and not only the graphic use of gore is present, people watched Elfen leid and didn't understand is at 19 and 20, so i can't say that it can be more simplified than the way it was shown also, Tokyo ghoul is very graphic but the story is really heavy and the meaning is very complex for a 13 to 19 to understand ofcourse depending on how mentally and intellectually they are developed.

Are you a tokyo ghoul fan? I have heard if many things about that anime including disturbing things.

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Minj369
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(11-04-2016, 07:14 PM)Nel Wrote: Are you a tokyo ghoul fan? I have heard if many things about that anime including disturbing things.
you just ignored everything I said, but okay, i'll roll with your line of conversation. the fact that you hear and read things instead of judging it for yourself, tells me everything i need to know. but yes. i am a fan. i loved that show, every second of it, with the gore and violence, it wouldn't have been TG if not for that. the story was captivating and the animation was awesome. now, for the faint of heart, this show is not the right cup of tea. it is Extremely graphic. and you can find it censored if you want... my husband also loved the show, he watched it well after it was finished, but after a few times where that streak of light is streatched over the screen he got tired of it, so i just found the uncensored links, it wasn't easy i'll give you that, but if not for the characters expressions... this show wouldn't make any sense to anyone... it will only be left as "This was censored to dust because it's too graphic" instead of focusing on the story!! this story needed every ounce of the violence and gore it had, the expression of a character tells you everything!!

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TheBoss
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(11-04-2016, 09:20 PM)Minj369 Wrote: you just ignored everything I said, but okay, i'll roll with your line of conversation. the fact that you hear and read things instead of judging it for yourself, tells me everything i need to know. but yes. i am a fan. i loved that show, every second of it, with the gore and violence, it wouldn't have been TG if not for that. the story was captivating and the animation was awesome. now, for the faint of heart, this show is not the right cup of tea. it is Extremely graphic. and you can find it censored if you want... my husband also loved the show, he watched it well after it was finished, but after a few times where that streak of light is streatched over the screen he got tired of it, so i just found the uncensored links, it wasn't easy i'll give you that, but if not for the characters expressions... this show wouldn't make any sense to anyone... it will only be left as "This was censored to dust because it's too graphic" instead of focusing on the story!! this story needed every ounce of the violence and gore it had, the expression of a character tells you everything!!
I don't think i know a woman who likes hardcore gore. If you like graphic things as you put it, I will have to ask you to watch guilty crown .

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Minj369
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(11-10-2016, 04:39 PM)TheBoss Wrote: I don't think i know a woman who likes hardcore gore. If you like graphic things as you put it, I will have to ask you to watch guilty crown .

see, i don't mind the gore, if it's there and it's a part of a story i enjoy then i wouldn't mind it... I will give Guilty Crown a try. is it the Japanese title? i can find it anyway but just to make sure about the name.
But i did explain the fact that gore is just an add on to a story, i don't gett off watching it, if it's there and it's contributing to the characters and story brutality, i just can't argue on the fact that it's there, nor will i'd want to censore it. i think it's kinda selfish to apply one's will on an artist that worked so hard to present his story, same goes for real books... it's like freedom of speech... it could be very rude to take away an artist work and censore it to dust no matter what's in it.

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TheBoss
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(11-11-2016, 08:38 PM)Minj369 Wrote: see, i don't mind the gore, if it's there and it's a part of a story i enjoy then i wouldn't mind it... I will give Guilty Crown a try. is it the Japanese title? i can find it anyway but just to make sure about the name.
But i did explain the fact that gore is just an add on to a story, i don't gett off watching it, if it's there and it's contributing to the characters and story brutality, i just can't argue on the fact that it's there, nor will i'd want to censore it. i think it's kinda selfish to apply one's will on an artist that worked so hard to present his story, same goes for real books... it's like freedom of speech... it could be very rude to take away an artist work and censore it to dust no matter what's in it.

It's not the Japanese title. I remember English names rather than the hard japanese names.
Have you read Hikari lit h club. It's the epitome of gore and violence.

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Minj369
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(11-12-2016, 03:46 PM)TheBoss Wrote: It's not the Japanese title. I remember English names rather than the  hard japanese names.
Have you read Hikari lit h club. It's the epitome of gore and violence.
like i said ... and you keep ignoring ... WHAT'S THE STORY LIKE !? Do not be a 5 yo with a lollipop. you might fall and get the lolly stick in your eye. instead of giving me Axioms! give me facts! genres, story line in your eyes, what did you think about the Mangaka's work? how would you rate your interest in the first episode compared to the amount of interest in the last episode, or chapters in case it's a Manga.
why is their work unique? how did he create a fanbase full of typical gore lovers? or did he find an awesome way or original way to gut everyone in his story? did he use a straw to empty the bellies of the characters ???
now that i calmed my ramblings ... please, tell me, what is so special about those shows that you mentioned ... ASIDE FROM GORE !?

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Nel
(11-12-2016, 05:25 PM)Minj369 Wrote: like i said ... and you keep ignoring ... WHAT'S THE STORY LIKE !? Do not be a 5 yo with a lollipop. you might fall and get the lolly stick in your eye. instead of giving me Axioms! give me facts! genres, story line in your eyes, what did you think about the Mangaka's work? how would you rate your interest in the first episode compared to the amount of interest in the last episode, or chapters in case it's a Manga.
why is their work unique? how did he create a fanbase full of typical gore lovers? or did he find an awesome way or original way to gut everyone in his story? did he use a straw to empty the bellies of the characters ???
now that i calmed my ramblings ... please, tell me, what is so special about those shows that you mentioned ... ASIDE FROM GORE !?

Omg minj. He is  getting on your nerves too ..
I like gore to some extent. But not too hard core and I developed a liking to it recently. I don't know why it's considered as weird

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Minj369
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(11-12-2016, 06:26 PM)Nel Wrote: Omg minj. He is  getting on your nerves too ..
I like gore to some extent. But not too hard core and I developed a liking to it recently. I don't know why it's considered as weird


hahaha that's sweet of you, but he's not getting on my nerves lol i just highlighted what is really important to me to hear from him since it seems like he's getting the wrong Idea about what i really care about when watching an anime.
it's not weird to like something... not in my eyes anyway. so, i like a lot of things, but what makes a story great is the story, innovative ideas written by the author, the way the author draws his story, is his choice and i could care less if it's "R" rated or "G" rated, if the story is great, i would watch it, that's my point. if it's just senseless in my eyes like romance, with all the misconceptions of the Japanese men on how a woman really behaves... then it's not for me hehe  and on the same level is an anime/manga that has no background story worth my time, with nothing but gore. i am trying to understand this person here...

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